Comments on: America, Say NO To Socialism! http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html Freshly squeezed market commentary & analysis Thu, 18 Mar 2010 16:10:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Nathan http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-57576 Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:32:17 +0000 http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-57576 For having such strong opinions, it's odd that I’ve seen some key misunderstandings. first off, capitalism is not the opposite of communism. Capitalism/Socialism - Democracy/Communism. each country has one of each, or I should say is balanced more towards one of each. So the statement about how Communism/socialism failed... not completely relevant as the US isn't communist and that's primarily why the soviet government failed - because they were communist, not because they were socialist. Anyhow, I’m not saying that pure socialism is the way to go... but as I've found in life, it's best to find a balance and I see the US being a bit too much capitalist and in need of some balance towards assisting society. It's just unfortunate that some parts of the media (a large portion owned by Rupert Murdock - a capitalist for obvious reasons) tries to carry out an undignified agenda by tying in his lobbyist style actions on his media networks . . . if you can get the people to believe, you don't need to convince the politicians. For having such strong opinions, it’s odd that I’ve seen some key misunderstandings.
first off, capitalism is not the opposite of communism. Capitalism/Socialism - Democracy/Communism. each country has one of each, or I should say is balanced more towards one of each.

So the statement about how Communism/socialism failed… not completely relevant as the US isn’t communist and that’s primarily why the soviet government failed - because they were communist, not because they were socialist.

Anyhow, I’m not saying that pure socialism is the way to go… but as I’ve found in life, it’s best to find a balance and I see the US being a bit too much capitalist and in need of some balance towards assisting society. It’s just unfortunate that some parts of the media (a large portion owned by Rupert Murdock - a capitalist for obvious reasons) tries to carry out an undignified agenda by tying in his lobbyist style actions on his media networks . . . if you can get the people to believe, you don’t need to convince the politicians.

]]> by: eddie http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-55686 Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:24:34 +0000 http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-55686 We are on the edge of fu...... our country up.We need to see the stimulus package was not for people without a collage degree.It has not done anything for the construction industry.Many of us are without jobs or only get part-time work.It is time to get rid of far left eletist,who think their way is the only way to do this. We are on the edge of fu…… our country up.We need to see the stimulus package was not for people without a collage degree.It has not done anything for the construction industry.Many of us are without jobs or only get part-time work.It is time to get rid of far left eletist,who think their way is the only way to do this.

]]> by: somewhere http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-55572 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:20:04 +0000 http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-55572 Babak no entiendo tu ironía, ese título es muy claro, se explica por sí solo "America, Say NO To Socialism!". Si después tu quieres hacer otra interpretación, eso lo único que hace es confundir a la gente. Es evidente que hay una masa muy importante en USA que sataniza el socialismo, como si fuera "el mal", no es cierto que haya tanto odio en el exterior como dicen algunos (Barry jones entre otros), lo que hay es rabia por las políticas tan sumamente equivocadas que han venido aplicando durante tanto tiempo. Y son políticas equivocadas porque sino no se hubiera derrumbado el sistema financiero, se ha venido abajo porque hay unos límites para la codicia, hay un dicho que dice "la avaricia rompe el saco". Por otra parte también hay unos límites para las materia primas, éstas no son ilimitadas, por tanto el crecimiento tampoco puede ser ilimitado. Los sueños ("el sueño americano") se han topado con la realidad. Babak no entiendo tu ironía, ese título es muy claro, se explica por sí solo “America, Say NO To Socialism!”. Si después tu quieres hacer otra interpretación, eso lo único que hace es confundir a la gente. Es evidente que hay una masa muy importante en USA que sataniza el socialismo, como si fuera “el mal”, no es cierto que haya tanto odio en el exterior como dicen algunos (Barry jones entre otros), lo que hay es rabia por las políticas tan sumamente equivocadas que han venido aplicando durante tanto tiempo. Y son políticas equivocadas porque sino no se hubiera derrumbado el sistema financiero, se ha venido abajo porque hay unos límites para la codicia, hay un dicho que dice “la avaricia rompe el saco”. Por otra parte también hay unos límites para las materia primas, éstas no son ilimitadas, por tanto el crecimiento tampoco puede ser ilimitado. Los sueños (”el sueño americano”) se han topado con la realidad.

]]> by: Babak http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-55564 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:05:56 +0000 http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-55564 Barry, you're absolutely correct. The <a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RB4pRZNeh8E/RrdpyqYtSYI/AAAAAAAAAyY/mk1oi65mpuo/s1600-h/Universal+Healthcare+World+Map.jpg">whole world</a> is trying to lull America into a false sense of security. Once the US switches over to the metric system, they'll pull the rug from under you and en masse, switch to the imperial or maybe the zucchini (that's where everything is measured in units of zucchini seed width). And you're furthermore correct is lambasting the countries who have universal health care. They spend less per capita on health care, have longer life expectancies, lower infant mortality rates, no one goes bankrupt due to illness, and no corporation stands in the middle of doctors and patients to make a profit. Who the hell wants that?!?! For Pete's sake! Think of the <a href="http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/041b5acaf5/protect-insurance-companies-psa" rel="nofollow">CEOs and their yachts</a>! Do you have any idea how hard they had to look to find all those 'pre-existing conditions' in order to <a href="http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/aetnas-ron-williams-ceo-compensation/2009-05-14#comments">give him that bonus</a>? Think of the CEO's people!! Listen to Barry folks... and get a clue! Barry, you’re absolutely correct. The whole world is trying to lull America into a false sense of security. Once the US switches over to the metric system, they’ll pull the rug from under you and en masse, switch to the imperial or maybe the zucchini (that’s where everything is measured in units of zucchini seed width).

And you’re furthermore correct is lambasting the countries who have universal health care. They spend less per capita on health care, have longer life expectancies, lower infant mortality rates, no one goes bankrupt due to illness, and no corporation stands in the middle of doctors and patients to make a profit. Who the hell wants that?!?!

For Pete’s sake! Think of the CEOs and their yachts! Do you have any idea how hard they had to look to find all those ‘pre-existing conditions’ in order to give him that bonus? Think of the CEO’s people!!

Listen to Barry folks… and get a clue!

]]> by: Barry jones http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-55559 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:16:58 +0000 http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-55559 wow...thanks for the great insight...I was straddling the fence on this issue (sarcasm), but after reading your article, it is quite clear how I feel now...we definitely do NOT need to go the way of socialism. In looking at so many of those countries you listed, the poverty rate per citizen is so low that our welfare recipients here in the US would be considered upper income. In addition, the fact that my family came here from Canada to escape a socialized medical program which led to the death of three of my four grandparents has put a bitter taste in my mouth. THREE of my grandparents were turned away from medical coverage due to lack of availability. Now, in all honesty, they were up in age and lived a full life, however, the mere fact that there life could have been lengthened just a bit longer had socialized medicine been as effective as you dimwits think it is, is what bothers me. Use common sense, the rest of the world HATES America, because it has been so successful. They want nothing more than to see it fail...why would they encourage anything that they feel would be beneficial to a country they hate? It would be like you helping a rival football team get the best recruits possible to make them better. These people are doing anything they can on order to make America fail...get a clue idiots wow…thanks for the great insight…I was straddling the fence on this issue (sarcasm), but after reading your article, it is quite clear how I feel now…we definitely do NOT need to go the way of socialism. In looking at so many of those countries you listed, the poverty rate per citizen is so low that our welfare recipients here in the US would be considered upper income. In addition, the fact that my family came here from Canada to escape a socialized medical program which led to the death of three of my four grandparents has put a bitter taste in my mouth. THREE of my grandparents were turned away from medical coverage due to lack of availability. Now, in all honesty, they were up in age and lived a full life, however, the mere fact that there life could have been lengthened just a bit longer had socialized medicine been as effective as you dimwits think it is, is what bothers me. Use common sense, the rest of the world HATES America, because it has been so successful. They want nothing more than to see it fail…why would they encourage anything that they feel would be beneficial to a country they hate? It would be like you helping a rival football team get the best recruits possible to make them better. These people are doing anything they can on order to make America fail…get a clue idiots

]]> by: Babak http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-53476 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:02:46 +0000 http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-53476 somewhere, estaba bromeando pero parece que algunos no se han dado cuenta :-) era mi intento que sea satirico pero quizas no salio tan claro. machineghost, good points. The starting point is to ask, is what the US has working? paying the highest expenses per capita and getting bupkus in return? allowing corporate bureaucrats to decide life and death, instead of doctors and health practitioners? bastiches, exactly! who said medicine was required for life? If you get sick, just go somewhere and die, right? somewhere, estaba bromeando pero parece que algunos no se han dado cuenta :-) era mi intento que sea satirico pero quizas no salio tan claro.

machineghost, good points. The starting point is to ask, is what the US has working? paying the highest expenses per capita and getting bupkus in return? allowing corporate bureaucrats to decide life and death, instead of doctors and health practitioners?

bastiches, exactly! who said medicine was required for life? If you get sick, just go somewhere and die, right?

]]> by: bastiches http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-53473 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:54:32 +0000 http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-53473 Water, we all could agree, is a necessity for life. Shall I drink 50 gallons of water and live a longer life? No, I will die in a matter of hours. Food, likewise, important for life. Shall I eat everything I can buy? No, again, disease and death will result. Shelter, a third imperative. Shall I seal myself off from the surrounding world? No, of course not. Why assume an argument against a form of Socialism is an argument against all government? That would be a straw-man argument and be dishonest. The government that governs the least, governs best. Water, we all could agree, is a necessity for life. Shall I drink 50 gallons of water and live a longer life? No, I will die in a matter of hours.

Food, likewise, important for life. Shall I eat everything I can buy? No, again, disease and death will result.

Shelter, a third imperative. Shall I seal myself off from the surrounding world? No, of course not.

Why assume an argument against a form of Socialism is an argument against all government? That would be a straw-man argument and be dishonest.

The government that governs the least, governs best.

]]> by: MachineGhost http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-53422 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:35:10 +0000 http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-53422 Don't confuse "universal health care" with socialized (Britain) or single-payer (Canada) health care. While those two may have been the most common method as implemented half a century ago when people were more ignorant of economics, it's inexcusable to be still thinking that today. One of the major reasons that health insurance can fail is due to the adverse selection problem, where healthy people do not get insurance and diseased people have skyrocketing costs. Both in combination does not allow for a sustainable risk pool to draw upon which is the situation we find ourselves in the U.S., hence no coverage for pre-existing conditions and dropping coverage for the diseased when costs get unsustainable. Everything seems rosy until you get sick. It is unclear to me whether or not this coordination failure to collectivize into a single risk pool is a true market failure or a result of misregulation and overregulation. I suspect it is a little of both. But no matter. What's important now is to get everyone into a single risk pool via an individual mandate. The rational approach is, of course, to merely regulate against this possible market coordination failure and leave everything else up to consumer-driven, market-based competition as is done in Switzerland. The U.S. is not that lucky, being constrained by 50 different monopolistic regulation fiefdoms, but the proposed insurance exchange along with the individual mandate may circumvent the entire silly matter one fell swoop. That will have tangible benefits in lowering costs. Far from the Switzerland ideal, surely. But a heck of lot farther from all of the ridiculous political propaganda being spewed all over the place. The rest of the world is probably laughing at America. Don’t confuse “universal health care” with socialized (Britain) or single-payer (Canada) health care. While those two may have been the most common method as implemented half a century ago when people were more ignorant of economics, it’s inexcusable to be still thinking that today.

One of the major reasons that health insurance can fail is due to the adverse selection problem, where healthy people do not get insurance and diseased people have skyrocketing costs. Both in combination does not allow for a sustainable risk pool to draw upon which is the situation we find ourselves in the U.S., hence no coverage for pre-existing conditions and dropping coverage for the diseased when costs get unsustainable. Everything seems rosy until you get sick.

It is unclear to me whether or not this coordination failure to collectivize into a single risk pool is a true market failure or a result of misregulation and overregulation. I suspect it is a little of both. But no matter. What’s important now is to get everyone into a single risk pool via an individual mandate.

The rational approach is, of course, to merely regulate against this possible market coordination failure and leave everything else up to consumer-driven, market-based competition as is done in Switzerland. The U.S. is not that lucky, being constrained by 50 different monopolistic regulation fiefdoms, but the proposed insurance exchange along with the individual mandate may circumvent the entire silly matter one fell swoop. That will have tangible benefits in lowering costs.

Far from the Switzerland ideal, surely. But a heck of lot farther from all of the ridiculous political propaganda being spewed all over the place. The rest of the world is probably laughing at America.

]]> by: wayne http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-53421 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:34:31 +0000 http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-53421 I will probably try to stick to market commentary in the future I will probably try to stick to market commentary in the future

]]> by: somewhere http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-53391 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:13:39 +0000 http://www.tradersnarrative.com/america-say-no-to-socialism-2836.html#comment-53391 Socialism is not the evil, you must change your mind. Those countries mentioned above, most of them very industrialized aren't the evil. You must remember that USA mainly funds from a socialist country (China), what a paradox, isn't it? My country isn't so developed as yours, but I've never paid a bill to visit a doctor or to receive an operation and this is for me and for everybody. Sharing is the question, in a planet where scarce resources are beating our economy sharing became the key, continuing the individualism of capitalism will be the end of this world. Best regards from Spain. Socialism is not the evil, you must change your mind. Those countries mentioned above, most of them very industrialized aren’t the evil. You must remember that USA mainly funds from a socialist country (China), what a paradox, isn’t it? My country isn’t so developed as yours, but I’ve never paid a bill to visit a doctor or to receive an operation and this is for me and for everybody. Sharing is the question, in a planet where scarce resources are beating our economy sharing became the key, continuing the individualism of capitalism will be the end of this world.

Best regards from Spain.

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