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Earnings Are Horrible - Why It May Not Matter at Trader’s Narrative





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First the bad news: earnings are horrible. Downright depressing actually. As the chart below illustrates, we’ve seen nothing short of an utter collapse during the most recent bear market:

historical earnings S&P500 chart of the day
Clearly what we’re going through is not your average, plain-vanilla recession. That would be the blue dashed line above. Even the last recession which came about as a result of the popping of a massive speculative bubble in technology shares and topped off by the economic body-blow from the September 11th attacks pale in comparison. What we’re seeing is the single most severe drop-off in earnings on the record.

Now for the good news. It may not matter at all - that is, when it comes to the stock market. Of course, to the economy, the employees and companies involved there is a significant consequence and I don’t mean to trivialize it. But the stock market is not the economy. For an example of what I mean, consider the company that started the most recent earnings season.

Alcoa (AA) released their earnings report after market close on Tuesday. They reported a loss of about half a billion for the first quarter. As you might expect, at first its stock price fell in after-hours trading but it closed higher the next day (Wednesday shown by green arrow) and today it gapped up and closed almost 10% higher:

alcoa AA - earnings reaction Apr 2009

Is this normal? Yes, of course. In contrast to what you may have heard, stock prices are not driven by earnings. This is one of the key characteristics of the stock market that throws a lot of novices because it just doesn’t make sense. But it does, once you realize that prices are set by a number of factors and while earnings are certainly part of the recipe, they are not the dominant ingredient.

If you look at enough charts you’ll see stock prices that are falling for companies that are reporting increased earnings and also stock prices that rise with decreased earnings. The key isn’t earnings, which after all, can be heavily manipulated unlike dividends. But rather the meaning that investors attribute to them. In other words, the price-earnings ratio. And that, is all about “animal spirits” or sentiment.

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3 Responses to “Earnings Are Horrible - Why It May Not Matter”  

  1. 1 Yuval

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    In Barrons two days ago they claimed that the earnings estimates for the S&P are between 39$-57$, the mid point of 48$ gives PE of 17.8.
    According to Standards and Poor the estimated PE is 18.6.
    (www2.standardandpoors.com/spf/xls/index/SP500EPSEST.XLS )

    In both cases looks like a high number to me…

  2. 2 mani

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    Great post ,very very true the markets are driven more by sentiments and feelings rather facts.When most of analysts feel and voice that this rally is not real ,a suckers rally and so on but the market continuous to make highs every day taking over new levels and resistances .

  3. 3 Vin

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    Babak and Yuval,

    Take a look at this link, it’s chart of the day for S&P earnings: http://www.chartoftheday.com/20090320.htm?T

    Yuval posted a link to excel spreadsheet, it provides estimates for earnings for 2009 and 2010. Here’s the reported EPS by year, as shown on chart of the day:

    2006: $81.51
    2007: $66.18
    2008: $14.88
    2009: $28.51 est.
    2010: $35.31 est.

    Operating EPS PE is 18 (avg) in 2009 and PE of 12.3 (avg) for 2010.

    S&P looks fairly valued for 2009 but not so much for 2010 earnings. The Q1 earnings and the guidance are the key now…

    I’ve already lightened up on all my long positions and have taken a small position in TZA (short 3X Russel 2K). Good Luck..

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